Adam and Eve's creation

[tubaloth]

That could be, but thats not what I'm really talking about.  There are some events that we know did happen (Even if we don't know How exactly they did Happen).

Speaking of the Creation, Fall, getting kicked out of some garden and so forth.  I do assume there was an actually Garden of Eden.   But was there actually two trees (one of Knowledge of Good and Evil and one Tree of Life). 

Once we get into the Doctrine of the Creation/Fall and we try to throw science in the mix, it can get confusing on which side to believe. 

[Happy_LDS]

Tubaloth:

Speaking of the Creation, Fall, getting kicked out of some garden and so forth.  I do assume there was an actually Garden of Eden.

Yes, according to past Church leaders  it was located where presently is Missouri.

But was there actually two trees (one of Knowledge of Good and Evil and one Tree of Life).

Why not? The Scriptures make mention of them.

[tubaloth]

Was the fall actually Adam eating some fruit?  So really he broke the word of wisdom and that caused the fall?

[Happy_LDS]

Broke the word of wisdom? What makes you think the fall has anything to do with the word of wisdom?

[tubaloth]

3. The Fall a Process of Physical Degeneracy.—A modern revelation given to the Church in 1833 (D&C 89), prescribes rules for right living, particularly as regards the uses of stimulants, narcotics, and foods unsuited to the body. Concerning the physical causes by which the fall was brought about, and the close relation between those causes and current violations of the Word of Wisdom embodied in the revelation referred to above, the following is in point. "This, [the Word of Wisdom] like other revelations that have come in the present dispensation, is not wholly new. It is as old as the human race. The principle of the Word of Wisdom was revealed unto Adam. All the essentials of the Word of Wisdom were made known unto him in his immortal state, before he had taken into his body those things that made of it a thing of earth. He was warned against that very practice. He was not told to treat his body as something to be tortured. He was not told to look upon it as the fakir of India has come to look upon his body, or professes to look upon it, as a thing to be utterly condemned; but he was told that he must not take into that body certain things which were there at hand. He was warned that, if he did, his body would lose the power which it then held of living for ever, and that he would become subject to death. It was pointed out to him, as it has been pointed out to you, that there are many good fruits to be plucked, to be eaten, to be enjoyed. We believe in enjoying good food. We think that these good things are given us of God. We believe in getting all the enjoyment out of eating that we can; and, therefore, we should avoid gluttony, and we should avoid extremes in all our habits of eating; and as was told unto Adam, so is it told unto us: Touch not these things, for in the day that thou doest it thy life shall be shortened and thou shalt die.
(James E. Talmage, Jesus the Christ: A Study of the Messiah and His Mission According to Holy Scriptures Both Ancient and Modern [Salt Lake City: Deseret Book Co., 1983], 28.)

[Happy_LDS]

I read the statement several times but I fail to see the connection. For me, it talks about good eating habits taught to Adam but not necessarily that partaken of the fruit was part of breaking the word of wisdom. Plus, we are talking about a fruit which Elder Talmage acknowledges is "good" food.

[tubaloth]

Sorry for the confusion.
The point I was trying to make is the accounts we have of the Creation and Fall are a limited version (the temple does add more light). Because of this limited understanding, we well have a hard time on what to take literal and what to figurative. Yes we do agree that Adam was a prophet that lived. We believe he fell, and even to some extent he had two choices presented to him. Do I believe a snake was there? That Eating some fruit from the tree caused the fall? Not really.
(Talmage was trying to explain that if there was any Law that Adam broke it was partaking of fruit that he wasn't suppose to, that fruit violated the word of wisdom is Elder Talmages thinking).

When we try to take the scriptures even when we don't have all the knowledge and pit them against science we end up with a conflict.
Do I take it literal that Adam was the first man, or the only person that become that form of a MAN?  I tend to lean on the side of the scriptures, even if we don’t have all the knowledge.

[brick]

"Now hear it, O inhabitants of the earth, Jew and Gentile, Saint and sinner! When our father Adam came into the garden of Eden, he came into it with a celestial body, and brought Eve, one of his wives, with him. He helped to make and organize this world. He is michael, the Archangel, the ancient of days! about whom holy men have written and spoken--HE is our father and our GOD, and the only God with whom WE have to do". (this can be found in "Journal of Discourses" 1:50,51--sermon by Brigham Young).

I am not a Mormon, but do have a question regarding doctrine.  The above quote from Brigham young states that Adam came into the garden and was Michael the Archangel.  He then states that Adam is "our Father and our God, and the only God with whom we have to do".  So, Brigham Young is teaching that Adam was once an archangel who came to the earth, and then, through Adam, then became the God of this earth.

My question is---do Mormons believe this today?  If so, why?--how can Adam be God?  And if not, how can you continue to call Brigham young a prophet if he was teaching false or unaccepted doctrine?  Hopefully you can address this because it is from "Journal of Discourses".  This is a real question---I am very curious as to what the answer will be.