Homosexuality in the Church

[TheMark]

If I'm mistaken about anything, please correct me.  I'm on this site to learn as much as I am to give my opinion.

[Sariah_Gift]

Themark aren't you mixing up apples from oranges? (with the issue of blacks and the priesthood)

Are you saying the prophet has to say the words "Thus say the Lord" for you to believe is a sin?

[EAG]

If I'm mistaken about anything, please correct me.  I'm on this site to learn as much as I am to give my opinion.

In comparing homosexuality and blacks in the priesthood, you are in fact comparing apples to oranges, the reason blacks were refused the priesthood was a matter of worthiness and not a matter of any particular sin. homosexuality is a matter of sin. I would also like to clarify what i mean by worthiness, I'm not saying that blacks were inferior or bad people, i do have faith that god had some purpose in restricting the priesthood, and im sure there is a reason why they were restricted, just as i'm sure there is some purpose in condemning homosexuality and maybe at some point in the future god will lift that condemnation or maybe not. i don't know. i think it is a waste of time to question the prophets if you have a testimony of them and it can lead to apostacy.

[Happy_LDS]

the reason blacks were refused the priesthood was a matter of worthiness

That's not true. Please express your view on this thread. I would like to discuss it with you. Thanks.

http://www.lds-doctrine.com/mormon-doctrine/index.php/topic,24.0.html

[TheMark]

Themark aren't you mixing up apples from oranges? (with the issue of blacks and the priesthood)

I don't believe I am mixing apples and oranges.  My point is that I believe the two have a common factor which is that the church leadership has expounded explicitly that blacks would never have the priesthood and the exact reasons why they wouldn't, and the church leadership has expounded explicitly why Homosexuals should not have intercourse with each other.  Obviously, the supposed fact that blacks were inherently unworthy of the Priesthood has been repealed.  It isn't doctrine (It really isn't by the way).  It was only thought to be doctrine.  I have no reason to believe that it is impossible that the doctrine against homosexual acts will have the same result.

Are you saying the prophet has to say the words "Thus say the Lord" for you to believe is a sin?

I'm saying that there must be piece of revelation that vanquishes all doubt that the current attitude of the church is not merely the same sort of cultural attitude that kept the priesthood from the blacks.  "Thus saith the Lord" would help.  I'm debating with myself over whether the Proclamation on the Family qualifies.

i think it is a waste of time to question the prophets if you have a testimony of them and it can lead to apostacy.

Is there nothing worse than apostasy?

Here is something that I consider to be a Divine Truth:

When a doctrine is found to be out of harmony with one's experience of the Creation, that one is left with a choice.  Either he must choose that the experience of the Creation is somehow false or he must choose that the doctrine is somehow false.  One is liberty, the other bondage.  I do not believe the church's doctrine of homosexuality is in harmony with many people's (including Homosexuals themselves) experience of the Creation.  This has resulted in the apostasy and liberalization of a great number of Saints.  Are they wrong?

[Taylor]

The scriptures specifically outline that man should not sleep with another man as he does with a woman.  There is no need to guess about this.

[TheMark]

The scriptures specifically outline that man should not sleep with another man as he does with a woman.  There is no need to guess about this.

A doctrine that greatly affects the happiness of our brothers and sisters isn't worth wondering about?

[Happy_LDS]

TheMark, but what are you wondering about if the scripture is clear?